sw1 model bug?

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:04 pm

helloo,
yes im still using sw1, it works for me Smile

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ok this is my problem...

i made a .3ds file with google sketchup...
then opened it in marzipan and converted to .man

now when i insert it in one of my lvls it dosnt matter if i got a texture or not..
the entire model is black.. the light has got no effects on it...

what did i do wrong?

Joined: 28 May 2009 Posts: 771 Location: Massachusetts

This happened to me too. I'm not exactly sure what happens, Marzipan is an extremely finicky program.

However, I'm pleased to hear you're using SW1. SW1.1 developers unite!

Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 1147 Location: Holy Terra

That sounds like you are suffering from inverted Facets. In a programme like Anim8or, select all the faces, then just flip them. It could be the issue.

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:40 am

XTCGames wrote:

This happened to me too. I'm not exactly sure what happens, Marzipan is an extremely finicky program.

However, I'm pleased to hear you're using SW1. SW1.1 developers unite!

haha thats true...
sw1.1 ftw Wink

how can i / we solve it?

im currently using google sketchup for my models..
save them as .obj or .3ds
then import the model into marzipan...
and export it as .man model...

somewhere there is where it al goes wrong.

maybe if someone could come up with a solution,(good explained tut maybe?)
then we can finaly import our own models into sw1 sw1.1

its a good program but i / we are limited now because we only got standard models...

i will try anim8or... but i doubt it if its gona work...

Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Posts: 120 Location: Finland

The problem might be with the UV map of the 3ds file.

The workflow that I used for Silent Fab:

- Save model as .obj
- Open it up with UVMapper (free version)
- Create "New UV map" from Edit / New UV map
- Save model as .obj with 'Export normals", "Export UV coordinates", "Export materials" and "Export UV mapper regions" checked.
- Open the model in Marzipan etc.

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:01 pm

so are you using google sketchup then?
or what program to make models with?

because every program has different options to export it..

EDIT:

ok i imported into sw1.1 and now it isnt black.. but now i got another problem....

the model is on its side :S
how do i fix that?

ill post a screenshot in a moment

EDIT 2:

EDIT 3:

ok i finaly got it....
but with some models i get a little traingle connection while it isnt connected...

is this a model error or is it marzipan who adds it?

EDIT 4:
here's a screenshot of what i mean...

what is that triangle doing there???
its a square cutout there....so... wtf?

OH and what new uv should i press , Planar, box?? cuz my texture dont match with the model...

and do's someone have marzipan for me?
i lost it
also maybe a gmk version of marzipan... the normal one wouldnt run on vista

Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Posts: 120 Location: Finland

That looks like a model error to me, but I could be wrong.

Which uv map you should use depends on what you want. Box works well if you only need a single texture on a boxlike model. For any precision work, I'd cut the model to pieces, uv map them separately, and combine them back in SW editor by putting the objects to correct places.

gmk version of Marzipan is here:

http://www.gamemakergames.com/?a=view&id=3494

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:27 am

Smirgel wrote:

That looks like a model error to me, but I could be wrong.

Which uv map you should use depends on what you want. Box works well if you only need a single texture on a boxlike model. For any precision work, I'd cut the model to pieces, uv map them separately, and combine them back in SW editor by putting the objects to correct places.

gmk version of Marzipan is here:

http://www.gamemakergames.com/?a=view&id=3494

Its no model error, well not my error anyway...
the model i created was good without that triangle in it...
then import it and i got that triangle -.-

well the model u see at the last screenshot.. that i want to UVMAP..
when i made the new uvmap (box) and i draw the texture and then apply it..

a large section is white and only a small piece of it is colored....
it looks like the uvmap is way too small ...

i want the same thing as the standard models included...

so the model with the correct uvmap....

Thanks for marzipan Wink

Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Posts: 120 Location: Finland

Hmm, my only experience is with UVMapper: after making the uv-map, you need to save the .obj file again after checking all the necessary "Export..." boxes mentioned in the previous post.

The texture should look ok already in Marzipan. Does it?

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:26 am

Smirgel wrote:

Hmm, my only experience is with UVMapper: after making the uv-map, you need to save the .obj file again after checking all the necessary "Export..." boxes mentioned in the previous post.

The texture should look ok already in Marzipan. Does it?

unfortunatly not.

ill upload the files...(they are uvmapped (box) and saved again as obj file)...

Download .obj file
Download .bmp texture file

But what new uvmap do you press? planar? box?
what size? etc...

Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Posts: 120 Location: Finland

Ok, I think I know what is wrong.

1.) The .obj model is huge, make it smaller, 10 times smaller, or even more.
2.) The model you provided is not centered properly. You need to center the model by two axes and then 'put it on the ground' for the third.
3.) After you have the model ready, re-make the UV map as box. Use 1024x1024 size for example.

Here's how it should look in Wings3D:

Here's how it should look in Marzipan (end result after resizing, rotating the model, changing the texture and flipping the uv map vertically):

Here's your model in SW1.1 (on my floor tiles):

Hope this helps. You are just a few steps away from a perfect workflow!

Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:47 am

as far for model making im using google sketchup (wings 3d isnt a great modelling program for me Wink

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click this link.. the screenshot is to big for forum XD...(google sketchup)
http://i48.tinypic.com/2hpku4j.png

1. yeh its huge.. i just noticed that XD...
didnt look that big in marzipan though...
(i imported the obj and changed the texture, nothing else..this is how it looks in marzipan for me)

2. yes i know its not centered but google sketchup exports it that way...
i already move my models in the centre , but it still isnt centred correctly.

so my only problem with this is the centre of it..

3.ok so at this point i made a google sketchup model. saved as .obj
imported in uvmapper (free), made new uvmap(box)
and then opend it in marzipan... above picture Wink

and then saved the .obj again... and saved the texture map..
this is how it looks in the game...

As you can see, well its huge but i can scale it Wink

...but the texture seems a bit off -.-

for example the table.
you see the legs but the texture line is inset by a few..

ps. i wonder how the standard models are made...
those texture maps are great..

hope i helped you understand what im doing XD...

Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Posts: 120 Location: Finland

Yeah. I experienced similar issue with UVMapper free version. It was less of a problem because my textures were very simple.

But, at least you can get the models in now. That's an improvement.

For texturing, you could ask for more help in the Texture Creation section of the forum.

Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:28 pm

Smirgel wrote:

Yeah. I experienced similar issue with UVMapper free version. It was less of a problem because my textures were very simple.

But, at least you can get the models in now. That's an improvement.

For texturing, you could ask for more help in the Texture Creation section of the forum.

yes thats true Wink

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for texturing.. oh.. ill find a way Wink

someday XD

one more question though...
is it possible that you can send me the Sw your using?

for some weird reason if i make a game (test game) on my laptop i see all square's... instead of nice textured walls.. looks like they are missing a wall between it...

but when you shoot it its there :S

i guess i do somethign wrong.. or i got a wrong sw version XD